Hello Friends!
I’d like to touch on a topic that has been mentioned before, but with the site’s growth and new members, I’d like to offer some general advice on interpretation and beliefs.
Very early on, Prudence noted that through this journey, it is important to practice discernment. What is discernment, you may ask? Essentially, it is practicing judgment and thinking critically…not only about disclosure posts but also about those in this community (myself included, of course).
We’ve built this community to learn truths from Prudence, his contacts, and each other. However, we must ensure we don’t take everything as 100% truth, because truth and perception are relative. Our personal experiences and journeys create biases outside of our control. So, if something feels off, take a step back and ask yourself why. What about it made you feel that way? What judgments and experiences are influencing your perception? This kind of self-awareness is essential when reading and engaging with posts.
While we want to trust that people are who and what they say they are, we have no true way of knowing. This is important to underline because we’ve seen individuals with influence make claims that may or may not be true. Just because someone says they are the Queen of Sheba or the first Mantid ambassador on Earth, for example, does not make it so. It’s easy for someone to claim a title or identity that cannot be verified. We are here to learn and grow, but also to strengthen our ability to think critically and make our own informed decisions.
Ask yourself:
• Is someone trying to use you to channel?
• Are they claiming to hold a position of high power and influence?
• Are they telling you that you must eat, breathe, or live a certain way to connect with other beings?
• Are they suggesting that without following their method, you will never achieve connection?
• Are they blaming you for others mistakes?
Take it with a grain of salt - or better yet, a whole salt shaker. The advice we receive reflects what works for that individual. If our journeys are unique, why wouldn’t the path to get there be as well?
I do want to note: these folks aren’t necessarily bad or insidious. They may truly believe their experiences and connections are absolute truths. We must be kind and welcoming, but we should also recognize that we are all equals, regardless of any perceived hierarchies. You are the star of your own journey.
I’ve seen many people feel held back by rigid beliefs, only to experience immense growth once they let go of feeling behind or “not good enough.”
TL;DR: Be open, but not naive. Be curious, but think critically. This is your life, and no one should dictate your path. We are here to learn, explore, and discern what resonates and what doesn’t.
This is so well-written and insightful, Eve! Thank you for sharing. I’ve been thinking along these same lines recently, so it’s cool to see it all organized and laid out that way. Quality post!
I really appreciate this post, I would like to, for a moment, get into a particular cult trauma that relates to this point.
Reader be advised, culty nonsense and some sexuality within.
I used to moderate a fairly large discord server around the Occult. It was here that I met who I will refer to as, "The Wank Warden," for simplicity and reasons that will become apparent.
The Wank Warden started, by claiming that he was in communication with higher beings. Depending on your biases, he would claim these entities either as Aliens, Angels, or whatever else he figured would work.
Like myself, he had an eclectic approach, and sometimes, really spoke to some truths that indicated a higher communication/experience. I was very drawn to him.
I eventually was a participant in his DMs, and soon, his own personal Occult Server, along with another member I will dub "Ami" for simplicity going forward.
Ami and I were deep into some occult theologies, Crowley, Kabbalah, Platonics, Chaos Magick, etc, we were reading into it in the free time we had as disadvantaged people with much free time. What The Wank Warden was promising, seemed very alluring and captivating.
Naturally, things got pretty weird. First of all, The Wank Warden came out with the fact, he believed in Semen Retention as a Magickal theory. He claimed he was "making love" with some angelic/alien being despite not, ya know, taking care of his needs, and this was why he was SOOO powerful.
There were many red flags in hindsight, this, and the fact for example...he was beholden to some "Mentor" that was not on the discord server with us. And, he had said that this "Mentor" was quite the LSD taker. It is not bad to take psychedelics, but in excess? That is still not good.
Anyway. What kept me grounded, in a way, was my budding relationship with Ami. Though she had a very Abrahamic Religion bent to her philosophy, we were so into each other that our connection had us cross checking information frequently, without The Wank Warden's immediate knowledge.
Because of my connection to Ami, for example, the times The Wank Warden would send me weird photos of himself doing the "thousand yard stare" at the camera, and going on about how he was SO powerful and energetically appealing because of his endeavors, was more amusing than anything.
I began to experience strange happenings. The first, was a vision in a meditation that showed me Seven Stars, it was determined that this may have been related to Abrahamic religions, in that there was a prophecy of six stars, Jesus Christ representing the 7th. However, I noticed in this vision, that got me skeptical of wank warden, whatever was communicating with me was giving me a huge, nagging feeling that The Wank Warden was wrong, and exploitative.
Later, I saw a being in the window at night, they looked like what you might call a "bigfoot" and faded away just as quickly. This concerned me. Thereafter, I did a tarot reading intensely with The Hermetic Tarot. This reading gave me a no bullshit warning, that what I was dealing with in participating with The Wank Warden, would end in certain disaster, and in some way, he was being misled.
The Wank Warden, of course, had every excuse why my reading was incorrect and my doubts were "off." At this time, he began to really emphasize the point that what had "enlightened" him was "semen retention" and, to do the same, other members should follow suit. Ami and I agreed this seemed fishy, even if somewhat based in a truth of "Have discernment around sex and masturbation."
Soon, someone from his server contacted me. They seemed nice enough. They had a lot of ability and potential. What concerned me, however, was that eventually, they admitted they were a minor. About 17 years of age in fact. And they were giving me some very strange feelings, about how they described "The Wank Warden" sucking them into this community.
After that, I had a dream. Ami and I were meeting up in my room, scribbling in notebooks about the esoteric practices The Wank Warden promised would lead to higher enlightenment. The words on our pages began to glow in a golden color, and actively change. It was a language that neither of us recognizes, however, we could understand it meant, "DO NOT TRUST THIS FALSE PROPHET AND GET AWAY FROM HIM," basically.
Ami confirmed she had a similar, if not exact, dream. This was all I needed to understand.
I went to the admins of the community I originally joined. At first, the leader of the server agreed with me, 100%. This was dangerous, and especially with my documentation of influencing a minor, it all suggested some sinister overtones. Unfortunately, as cults do, the campaign to discredit me began in earnest.
I was the instigator of a "witch hunt." I was a bad person that was just picking on "The Wank Warden." You recall that minor I mentioned before? They began uncomfortably sending me messages that I was "loved" by wank warden and I needed to stop my crusade.
The admin decided to take a "measured" approach. I was demodded, authority stripped for causing "a witch hunt." However, proselytizing, and recruitment to private groups, would be heavily disallowed going forward. I left. Ami and I ended up deciding Discord, of all platforms, was not a great one to be building such a community, even if it was true it would lead to greater connection.
For those interested in Ami and I getting away, this was when an entity calling itself Raphael the Arch Angel appeared to me, to help me detach from The Wank Warden. "Raphael" showed me that what The Wank Warden was doing, was creating a network of parasitic energy exchange benefiting largely himself and his original mentor... and also, that the beings he was contacting would not really allow this, if true.
"Raphael" also gave me the following interesting disclosures: A winged angel is just what someone like me was comfortable accepting him appearing as, and in fact, his true form was quite different. He hoped I would understand one day.
So, to sum up some points for the reader at JRprudence: Do I believe The Wank Warden was contacted by NHI in some way: Yes, absolutely. 100%.
Do I believe The Wank Warden was interpreting this contact correctly: No, absolutely not. 100%.
Do I believe The Wank Warden is an ultimate evil?: Well...no, I would say he is dangerously exploitative, and that my experience says we should always be careful and discerning. I believe the simplest explanation here is that he was young, exploited himself, and a bit ignorant with many biases.
What should we take away from this?: : What Garden of Eve summed up, exactly, that we should always discern and take time to do so, before drawing too many conclusions, or following someone that promises certain prizes.
This post brought up memories of my religious studies classes on 'discernment' in high school, but in a good way. Thank you for bringing this to everyone, Eve.
Some of us are younger, some of us are older. A lot of us, I imagine, have a lot of empathy and want to find others who identify with our fascination and appreciation for the extraordinary. In plain terms - I think a lot of us are probably 'nice people pleasers' (but again, I have been known to be wrong on many occasions). We lack people in our lives we can discuss this stuff with due to a plethora of reasons, and if we even share some kind of interest or question 'the norm' we're considered weird or crazy. So yeah, it can be very appealing to 'let it all out' and 'get crazy' when we feel like we've come across like-minded people who also share our fascinations.
And all that is to say - YOU ARE 100% ABLE TO TELL SOMEONE NO. Feelings will get hurt, and it's ok. You are in charge of your own person. Believe me - I spent many years not wanting to hurt feelings, not wanting to make people upset, and I slightly regret it (but it's water under the bridge). I can think of two distinct occasions when I should have shouted from the rooftops for my own well being and didn't; now, I believe I would do it completely different, but I'm older now, with lots of hindsight, and much wiser to not giving a shit when it comes to upsetting someone by telling them no or telling them I'm done interacting with them.
Charge up your bullshit meters. You know you have one, and if you think you don't - you do, it's just not charged up! Bring yourself up by believing in your intuition and your gut. As Eve said, take what you can with a grain of salt (or a salt shaker, lol). If someone's asking you to do something that gives you an ick feeling in your gut - that's your meter talking. It's ok to question stuff - and you should because it's normal to ask questions and seek more information/understanding! But when it comes to your own well being, look out for yourself.
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If anyone feels lonely thinking about all this , you are not never is/was. Me and my best friend work together. We started asking each other "wtf is going on?" , then we stated "we are being lied to" . This was two years ago. The moment we saw this website , was a breath of fresh air.
Reality is beautiful , love and peace to you all :)
Yup needed to read this, thank you.
Thanks for the reminder.
In the past, I unfortunately learned this lesson the hard way myself, and it took me a lot of years to get through the trauma and over-compensating.
This is an incredibly special community, and I think we can all help each other by being better at discernment, for our own and each other's safety and wellbeing, the community's, and for the overall mission's. LOVE
Moved to Guides and pinned, thanks Eve.
You really do need to be careful and I want to share why I take this so very seriously, now more than ever. Anyone who knows me knows I'm all about the word discernment. I am always talking about trusting your gut/ intuition. Well, guess what I did? I didn't do any of that recently. I did but I ignored my "judgement"! And do you know what happened? Yet another life lesson in listening to myself, apparently. But this time, I think it stuck.
It started really when there was a user on this site, who I was suspicious of, started posting. I was pretty concerned with what they had to say, it seemed like shitposting most of the time honestly. But, JR had them on his follow list. And interacted with them as if they were old friends, this was just how I viewed it/assumed. So I told myself, okay well if JR says they are good, well I guess they are good. JR didn't actually ever say they were good, btw. This is just what I took from comments, which again, was not correct to do and I do know better most of the time. Right off the bat, when I first saw this person, my alarm, so to speak, was going off. I hit ignore on it though.
Later on, someone messaged me, and wanted to start channeling with me, I guess I would say. I was feeling pretty excited about that, and was very eager, too eager to learn everything they had to teach me. I wasn't so sure about this person though, and asked someone I trusted to vouch for them. They were very vouched, and I was like alright, lets go, totally ignoring my initial feelings of being unsure, which was a sure sign to be careful!
I dove into this world they had to show me, or what I thought they had to show me. The whole time, I was really pushing myself, they didn't seem to care about that. I did end up talking to them about that and while they gave me what felt like a sincere apology at the time, it really did end up making me feel pretty bad about some of the things they had overall told me. It's hard to explain, but it really wasn't that good of a situation for me. I really just, was so eager to learn how to help and learn more about this world. During this time, I felt really rushed to get better at channeling. I contacted the person that I had first been very suspicious of, the person that JR was following, remember them? LONGGGGG story short, I should not have done any of this! It was legit a very bad time for me, I was so foolish. I should have listened to my gut in the first place with BOTH of these people! I should have never gone to someone else to ask what they thought. That was a fine thing to do actually, but the issue was ignoring how I felt in the first place, because of that. This is all so obvious in retrospect, but at the time, I really wasn't thinking clearly, which is not like me at all.
I think it's okay to use your friends' discernment, someone you trust, as well. But at the end of the day, if someone, anyone, is giving you a weird feeling, please listen to it. I am not saying that any of this was anyone's fault but my own, to be clear! I just am sharing this to express, don't just think you can trust someone because of a comment someone makes about them, or their status in any way, shape, or form. We are all building a lot of trust here on this platform, and it has been really hard because of what all of us have gone through. I really want you guys to be on your toes, on guard, even though it feels very safe here, and it generally is, you absolutely must use your discernment, as Eve has said so well.
Thank you Eve, for making this post. I really wanted to share all this, thank you for giving me a space to do so. You have taught me a whole heck of a lot about this stuff in rapid time, and I am so so thankful for your wisdom. Even now, in this very moment, there are some things here that make me feel weird. But believe me, I have learned my lesson well and will be so very careful from now on! Also, so we are clear, everything has been handled and reported and it is part of why I was gone off and on. I'm not used to all that drama, and I caused myself quite the time, but it is all handled I believe, so not to fear! I do wanna thank the mods here for helping me sort all that mess out! I will try to not be so much trouble from now on, I'm a smarter and happier SpaceRat now :)
True that. Lotta people are coming here for Lotta different reasons 💯