TL;DR: Both Prudence's message and Ra's Law of One teachings align on many core principles, such as unity, love, and spiritual evolution. However, there is one major contradiction—how reincarnation works. Ra describes it as a linear evolutionary process through densities, while Prudence suggests that linear reincarnation is a deception. I seek clarification from Prudence and/or his contacts on this fundamental difference.
First I'd like to apologies for the lengthy post, I just wanted to make sure I have adequate context for the audience and Prudence before I state the questions for Prudence and/or his contacts. Many of us who've been drawn to this community, resonate deeply with Prudence's message because they nearly compliment everything that came from the Ra contact between 1981-1984. For those who don't know, a group of 3 people known as the LL Research group, consisting of Don Elkins, Carla Rueckert and Jim McCarthy made contact with a collective known as Ra, the same Ra that was distorted into Egyptian mythology (Much like any other highly evolved beings who've walked this Earth to impart wisdom was distorted, like Jesus for example.) Ra wanting to correct this distortion seeked this group because of their vibratory nature and they began channeling this collective through Carla. Don was the questioner, and Jim provided assistance to Carla as she was under a trans state, and he also served as the scribe who wrote down all the questions and answers that eventually became the books. I woke up to the realization that we are all one last year. I had heard of the Law of One early in my awakening, but I only began reading it around the same time Prudence made his first Reddit post a couple of months ago—an interesting synchronicity to say the least. I'm nearly done the entire collection, (at 93rd session out of 106). The format of the book are in questions and answers. Ra only responded to questions Don would ask, and they would never volunteer information as well as any information that would infringe upon free will or as they call "the law of confusion". To summarize the Law of one: "I am Ra. The Law of One, though beyond the limitations of name, as you call vibratory sound complexes, may be approximated by stating that all things are one, that there is no polarity, no right or wrong, no disharmony, but only identity. All is one, and that one is love/light, light/love, the Infinite Creator." So far from reading mostly everything on this website and almost the entire Law of One books, when you assume different terminology mean the same thing, for example the GCS = One infinite creator, we can see why so many of us would be drawn to Prudence's words because both Ra and Prudence and his contacts speak nearly the same truth. Both speak of the coming apotheosis, both speak about negative entities manipulating our civilization, Prudence calls them "the not-so-good-group" and Ra calls them the Orion Group. The Orion group is also not just one species but a collective or dark federation if you will, of multiple species who's dedicated themselves to service to self(STS) and are hell bent on manipulation, conquest and enslavement. They also don't specify which species, however it's implied that the species is irrelevant because each species will have members who are polarized towards good and others who are polarized towards evil, in other words, you could have a good Nordic working for the federation and an evil Nordic working for the Orion Group, or the not-so-good ETs. Both also speak of a Federation of good ETs who attempts to protect this planet without infringing on free will as much as possible, of which Ra says to be a member of. So far mostly everything checks out, which is why I find myself cautiously trusting both sources. However, I have found one glaring contradiction between the two, which is causing a lot of confliction within me to figure out which is the truth. I, like Prudence, care only about the truth, I seek truth above comfort. In the Q&A Part 9 https://www.jrprudence.com/post/conversation-with-damien-q-a-part-9-unstoppable-wins-continued-success, Prudence says: "Pay attention to hoaxers, gurus, frauds and teachers and their teachings that speak of reincarnation in a linear fashion that requires X amount of time and only after B amount of years, can one free themselves. This is not only untrue, but a part of the not-so-good forces plan to capture unknowing souls and those prone to both mysticism and logicality. Yes, there are persons engineered on both ET sides as “players” or “ground agents.” Some for the not so-good. Others, like me, for 3-3-3 (Good.)" Then there was the just released Message from Above VII today, which Mantis said: "This is the case with interdimensional realme-criminals who are well aware that it is a “choice” to shift dimensions [and not to be bound by the lie of linear reincarnation], and can, at will – instead of relying on death/reincarnation – “change forms” into “earth human avatars.”" This contradiction is critical because, if Prudence’s information is correct, then Ra’s description of reincarnation would be a deception—potentially making Ra part of the manipulation rather than a liberating force.
According to Ra, reincarnation is a structured evolutionary process where souls gradually evolve through densities. Each major cycle lasts 75,000 years, divided into three 25,000-year minor cycles. At the end of each cycle, there is an opportunity for “harvest” or “graduation” into a higher density, depending on a soul’s level of evolution. (To be clear, the word 'harvest' does not mean growing souls for food, the context in which they use it, is the same as graduating to the next level, or as Prudence's contact refers as 'Apotheosis'). If a soul is not yet ready, it continues reincarnating in third density until it meets the minimum threshold of 51% Service to others (STO) for positive harvest. And for further clarity, a soul is not obligated to reincarnate back on Earth specifically, it can reincarnate on any planet that is currently in third density. So long as the planet matches the vibratory level of that soul's evolution.
However, Prudence’s contact states that linear reincarnation is a lie, implying that this entire evolutionary framework is false or manipulated by negative forces. This suggests that Ra is either:
Part of the deception, knowingly or unknowingly reinforcing the reincarnation trap narrative.
Accurately describing universal mechanics, while Prudence’s contact is either misinformed or intentionally misleading people about how soul evolution actually works.
This means one of these sources is either incomplete, incorrect, or intentionally deceiving us. This contradiction has been tearing at me since last night because I don't know who to believe. Both of them advocate for love and kindness, both of them advocate for seeking truth and the divinity within themselves, both of the core message is the same and frankly both are incredibly uplifting and empowering. And both speak of manipulation from darker forces. Prudence, since I know you've not personally read the law of one, I'd like for you to ask some questions to your contacts if you don't personally know the answer, if that's ok with you? Much love, for taking the time in your busy schedule to answer these.
What exactly does your contact mean by “linear reincarnation” being a lie? If Ra is incorrect about the 75,000-year reincarnation cycle, what is the true structure of soul evolution? If reincarnation is a trap, what was originally intended instead?
Are your contacts aware of the Ra Collective? If so, what is their opinion of Ra? Do they consider them allies or part of the manipulation? If Ra is misleading people, what is their agenda?
Are the density system described by Ra accurate? Whereas there are 7 major densities (not to be confused with the word "dimension"), with each density having 7-sub densities that spiral upwards towards the infinite creator or (GCS in your terms), and the octave (8th density) is reintegration within the source/gcs/infinite creator. If so, is humanity shifting from the 3rd Density into the 4th as we speak?
Is there a middle ground where both your contact and Ra are both correct but there's some nuance that's lacking from both your current information you've shared and those of Ra in regards to soul evolution and reincarnation? (The first question might answer this question)
Ra says that the Veil of forgetfullness or the reason why we forget when we incarnate is to give us free will, is this your understanding as well?
Do your contact know of the Orion Group that Ra speaks about?
I once again want to thank you for taking the time to read through this. Love and light to you and your contact <3
Hello and thank you for your post. I have quite a backlog of questions to get to, including lengthy DMs, but I believe a response to this one is necessary to clear up some misconceptions.
First, I believe Damien's statements here will already begin to clarify how the process works:
Disclosure with Damien, the Extraterrestrial Tall Grey Alien contacting JR Prudence
D: Thank you, let us begin. Of all the messages we have to offer, Nirvana/Arhat and the breaking of the reincarnation cycle here on earth is paramount and perhaps the most important. To get into this, we must explain first the natural way of “reincarnation” which is not reincarnation, but REASSEMBLY. In the natural course of existence, where no technological means can “trick” a world, nor can false guides and prophets – it works like this: a planet’s realme-singularity “births” smaller singularities that inhabit life and non-life. As time goes on, all singularities feed evolutive data into each other until the point that, with enough movement from the soul field being stimulated by these individual singularities connected with their (actors/containers/vessels/characters), it creates a critical mass in the soul field where sentient beings can eventually be born in the (physical) side. Once these singularities are relatively developed enough, they can merge into a lower or primitive realme-form (technically singularities are the initial “fetus” of a “realme but not a full realme) which is then able to inhabit lower sentience. The sentient beings then go and live out life and naturally choose without question to “reassemble” into another sentient existence (as what you’d falsely call reincarnation) because they naturally know they are “adding” to the “collective soul field mass data” which enables not only stronger/better sentience but evolves the whole world. The realme begins to develop more and more with each reconstruction/reassembly/re-insertion into new vessels/containers/characters in stories (that you call the “physical realm”) until they’re developed enough that they can decide to transverse elsewhere. So, even in the lower stages, the realme as lower sentience still chooses (and isn’t tricked or anything) to “reassemble” because they know they are adding to more collective evolution to further the physical species itself. This doesn’t take very long from the OTHER SIDE’S point of view because of the spacetime warpage which allows the OTHER SIDE to crisscross between this (physical side) in such a way that the time there on the OTHER SIDE can be both light years ahead and in the past simultaneously. 8-point-infinity convergences apply not only for individual [sentient] consciousness but literally every speck, every matter, every atom, every quark, every bit, every quantum, and ALL information as a whole [has a convergence/singularity point] – and if this is the case – then the OTHER SIDE soul-mass/spacetime warpage applies which allows time from ALL 8-points of ALL INFINITIES to converge into each other with no (apparent end). Additionally, what is deemed as the OTHER SIDE is just one but many dimensions – so for the sake of simplicity, one of many (spiritual dimensions/heavens etc.) for those who need such terms. The reality is that there are countless (spiritual dimensions) and even what you call (physical) is one of them – which is why we consistently remind you that your material/spiritual separation makes virtually no sense in reality and is a BIG part of why disclosure is so difficult. On one side, you have your absolutist materialists who can see the physicality of our crafts and technology and insist there’s no (spiritual connection) whereas your absolutist spiritualist/mystic believes in (heavenly, esoteric, ethereal realms) that’s also separate from physicality. BOTH SIDES ARE BOTH RIGHT AND WRONG – AND AS USUAL – DUAL IN NATURE. Such division leads to little to no truth or a misinterpretation of truth. Again, drop your ideas of duality. All dimensions are one, simply in different shapes, forms, dynamics, and positions of grand space and time – interconnected all the way back to the GCS itself. Now, coming back to the main point: Nirvana IS possible. Prudence has attained it, although it’s up to him how much he wishes to share with how and why. Nevertheless, it is very possible to attain “freedom from prevalent desires” that keeps one COMING BACK and easily wish to come back because they’re “not done” with the life here on earth. That is why we cannot forcefully remove people from your “Matrix” because there are those who willingly want to be here/imprisoned for various reasons. While no religion is correct, one must be careful of theosophy and doctrines crafted from it, especially New Age teachings, UFO religions, and the occult. Namely, those that speak of reincarnation in such a way that you must do it X amount of years for Y result. These are usually your tell-tale signs of false prophets and false guides. That is NOT how it works. How it works, especially since we mentioned above that the MIND/CONSCIOUSNESS CAN BEND SPACE AND TIME – is that it is DEPENDENT ON CHOICE. Nirvana is attained when one realizes the (dream closest to their heart) and no longer needs anything predominantly, aside from basic food and water, needs etc.
Q: What exactly does your contact mean by “linear reincarnation” being a lie? If Ra is incorrect about the 75,000-year reincarnation cycle, what is the true structure of soul evolution? If reincarnation is a trap, what was originally intended instead?
A: With the explanations in Disclosure with Damien, the Extraterrestrial Tall Grey Alien contacting JR Prudence – you can begin to see that reincarnation isn’t exactly accurate and pure linearity doesn’t truly exist since the spirit, interconnected to the soul field, pulls upon data in multiple directions. If it pulls data in multiple directions, then it pulls multiple bits of data as spatial bits and anything that is spatial is temporal as spacetime. Linear reincarnation dictates X amount of years as a strict, fixed absolute when the reality is mutable and dependent on the environmental conditions, realme evolutionary level, spacetime dimension, and many more factors. So, to a certain degree, there does exist some time that the spirit has to continue growing up and using multiple avatars to do so. However, it is not absolutely fixed as 75k years for ALL GRAND SPACE AND TIME across the multi-cosmos because that is not how spacetime works. A hundred years passing here can be up to 1,000 in another dimension, or even 1 minute – making that idea of a fixed, absolute number incredibly wrong. The natural way of evolution/structure is simply put like this: our spirits, in initial form have a form of psychic-conscious knowledge as to what it is and what it must do. Naturally, in a developing world, it will “choose” to reassemble; hence the misinterpretation with reincarnation. The “spirit” is not bound by strict absolute time measures because such notions do not exist in the relativity of spacetime. That’s your tell-tale sign something is VERY off about the information.
Q: Are your contacts aware of the Ra Collective? If so, what is their opinion of Ra? Do they consider them allies or part of the manipulation? If Ra is misleading people, what is their agenda?
A: As said in today’s message, it’s not my job to be calling out anyone. I, personally, do not care to provide such information – hence my lack of care to investigate. However, since the OP’s initial time, my contacts have informed me that the Law of One books are misleading dogma. Once again, they are teachings – and they even speak about the Orion group very negatively when the Orion group is benevolent. Naturally, as is the case with propaganda and false information, they use half-truths to then employ their narratives and twists. That is why my contacts; namely, my grey contacts/Damien’s group, has made it abundantly clear that all teachings should be disregarded. As said here previously in one of the earlier transcriptions with Damien –
P: This leads me to another part here to bring up – I’ve heard about this Law of One book or teachings and I am not sure of it. I haven’t read it, but others have brought it up to me and I previously said “it was on the right track” – but there were warnings in some of these teachings that the “group from Orion is evil” or something along those lines…
D: Of course, they’d say that. Again, this is exactly what we are referring to which is why we have said time and time again – the age of teachings are over. Mystics can no longer be trusted to fully get our message out without their egos getting in the way. Once more, this does not apply to every single person and there do exist some good mystics whom we love and enjoy very much. However, for the vast majority, especially the (wannabe)-mystics from Europe and America who hear of the Indian way of life and suddenly believe they can replicate it better – these are the (jokers) that do not understand what they meddle with and only contribute damage toward the “spiritual truth” which is not “spiritual” nor “material” but simply TRUTH – AS IT IS.
Q: Are the density system described by Ra accurate? Whereas there are 7 major densities (not to be confused with the word "dimension"), with each density having 7-sub densities that spiral upwards towards the infinite creator or (GCS in your terms), and the octave (8th density) is reintegration within the source/gcs/infinite creator. If so, is humanity shifting from the 3rd Density into the 4th as we speak?
A: Anything relating to a strict 7 should be very carefully looked at for deception. 7 is notoriously known as the mystic’s “spiritual number” when the reality is that 8 and 9 are higher as Pythagoras already pointed out – who, ironically, was mystical himself. Additionally, nothing exists in a strict, rigorous 7-format and, as usual, these mystical teachings love to utilize the number 7 as is the case with standard theosophy and other cults; occults, teachings, and doctrines that speak on similar lines. REAL ETs deal with numbers WAY, WAY, WAY above anything we can imagine. That is why the idea of the 8-point-infinity convergence is so important – not because of 8 as a value of eight ones, but as an INFINITY loop in ALL directions. There are COUNTLESS higher and lower dimensions and the notion they end at 7, or are in strict steps of seven, is incredibly false and a direct sign of mystical manipulation usually hinging on New Age concepts taken from former theological doctrines.
Q: Is there a middle ground where both your contact and Ra are both correct but there's some nuance that's lacking from both your current information you've shared and those of Ra in regards to soul evolution and reincarnation? (The first question might answer this question)
A: There could be, but the problem isn’t “Ra” so much as it is the people who channeled that book. ETs do try to channel messages into people. Doesn’t mean they’ll get it all right. Damien has gone into very stringent and detailed lengths as to how this process can be sullied. Mystically-led and teaching-based persons marry ancient astronaut theories into their theosophy grandeur dogmas.
Q: Ra says that the Veil of forgetfullness or the reason why we forget when we incarnate is to give us free will, is this your understanding as well?
A: And as you can see here, there is some truth among the mixed messages which is why half-truths work so well like honey pots. When we are taught to forget, when are taught that “you must incarnate X amount of years,” then we carry this knowledge over to the other side – unless our realmes are developed enough to remind us of the truth.
Q: Do your contact know of the Orion Group that Ra speaks about?
A: Answered here previously:
P: Can you speak a little more on Orion as I had others ask me about it.
D: It’s one of our stations. We have many worlds, including the famous Zeta Reticuli, which is not our “home” but one of many worlds with our stations and technology. Our home belongs to another dimension/universe/time.
P: Ah, now it’s starting to make sense the instigators and false prophets would cite the Orion 3-3-3 group as evil – to stir confusion among contactees and the genuinely interested by using half-truths?
D: Naturally.
Something that gets missed by 99% of people who read the Ra Material (and any channeled material) is that it is not an entity speaking through someone
Channeling is essentially frequency alignment to “match up” between channel and entity, but really everything you hear come out of the instruments mouth is their own imaginative interpretation of the concepts being conveyed
What does this mean? That there is no objective truth in any channeled material ever. It is always lensed through the human doing the channeling
With the Ra Material, this unfortunately gets hit twofold;
One, the questioner often asked irrelevant or improper questions/forms of questions that generate transient or “junk” information, and Ra explicitly would not step “out of bounds” in answering as to preserve free will choice
Two, Carla was extremely Christian. And so every concept got lensed through that belief system
The Ra Material is invaluable, and contains a LOT of truths, but requires extremely heavy discernment and understanding that it is NOT Ra speaking, but Carla imaginatively interpreting frequency concepts and attempting to convey them. No matter how “pure” a channel, this is always the case for material such as this
I love the Ra Material, I have personal experiences confirming it is legitimate, but those same experiences also confirm that it is possibly the most misinterpreted spiritual text around the concept because people think “this is pure” and turn off their discernment, and then latch onto concepts, numbers, evaluations etc. that are really not “real” or “objective” but are allegorical tools from the imagination attempting to convey a concept.
Such as the density system. Ra even clarifies multiple times that the numbering and ordering is largely incorrect and irrelevant, but that it is being used for simplicity of conceptualization between instrument and questioner. But, people like strict “this is how it is” and so take things too literally, stopping their own discernment, and believing in metaphor and poetry as if it’s a mechanical description of reality.
Big agree with Nova and Zubb.
I think a big difference between Law of One and Prudence is Carla was on LSD to help out with the channeling and the group was doing their best to process information they weren't really prepared well enough to translate properly.
Prudence was literally made for this. And as you can see especially with Damien, Prudence and his group are attuned to each other.
No "Vibratory Sound Complexes" here. Word, they mean word. Stuff like that is all over the Law of One. They did their best, they seem well intentioned. Who knows where the line is between "Ra is an intention/unintentional deceiver" and "channeling is hard".
It's funny in one of the recent posts with the collective it seemed like at one point Damien was brought on just to make sure things got across more smoothly on a difficult to transcribe subject.
Another thanks to Prudence and his team. This all sounds extremely exhausting to me and yet he's still answering our long winded questions. I haven't received an answer to mine but he's just one dude.
Gracias
I think that's the main problem with doctrine or anything like that. When you're talking about big concepts it's easy to simplify to explain something and then misconstrue or misinterpret it, like how learning that the color wheel is not how visible light works, or how the Bohr model of atoms is incomplete, or even "I before E except after C" has a bunch of different exceptions.
It's more important I think to catch the vibe and intent of something rather than the minutaie.
Thanks for replying Prudence, this leaves me much to meditate on.